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A beginner’s guide to podcast SEO

How podcast SEO can help grow your audience

Unless your great dream is to podcast to no one you’ll want to do everything in your power to get your show in front of new listeners.   And this includes making sure your podcast SEO is on point. 

What is SEO?

SEO is an acronym for Search Engine Optimisation and if you get it right it can be a powerful way to grow your podcast audience organically because it increases the chances of your show turning up in search results.  

Since Google decided to (finally) dip its toe into the podcasting space, this has become even more important because potential listeners no longer need to be poking around in a podcast app to be introduced to new podcasts.  

Instead, if your show is about pancakes (that would be the most random podcast ever but I’m down with it) and you’ve done all your SEO right, your show could pop up if people are searching for ‘podcasts about pancakes’ in Google or ‘pancake podcast.’  

Alternatively, if they’re not looking for a podcast but they’re interested in knowing “how to cook the perfect pancake” Google could dish up a link to your show or a playable episode right there in the search results if you’ve got an episode about that. 

That’s an amazing way to get your podcast in front of people who might not even know what a podcast is and that means more potential listeners!

Google is getting even smarter when it comes to how it scans podcasts and incorporates them into search results so you want to make sure doing everything you can to take advantage of that.

How do you grow your podcast audience?


Why is podcast SEO important?

If you’ve been listening to podcasts for years it’ll probably surprise you that there are a HUGE number of people who still don’t listen to them.  According to the Infinite Dial 2019, in Australia, 83% of the population is aware of podcasts but only 22% listen to them.

That’s a huge gap and when these people are asked why they’re not listening to podcasts a lot of them say “because I don’t have a podcast app on my phone.”  

That’s a little concerning considering podcast apps come standard on mobile phones.  But that’s why platforms like Google and Spotify stepping into this space is a huge opportunity because it can help us close the gap between awareness and listening by putting podcasts in front of people who aren’t necessarily looking for them.  

Google can turn up playable podcast episodes in search results and Spotify have put podcasts front and centre in their app.  This means people can find podcasts in other ways rather than the traditional path of…

Step 1: Open a podcast app (a problem if they don’t know they have one)

Step 2: Search for a podcast (a problem if they don’t know about your show)

Step 3: Listen to an episode.

Discoverability has been one of the biggest problems with podcasting so podcasts showing up in search results or being recommended in apps like Spotify are helping to change that.  

Should you tell people to ‘subscribe’ to your podcast?


How does SEO work?

SEO helps search engines find your content and puts it in front of people who are looking for content that relates to certain keywords. 

Google is the most well-known search engine but podcast directories also work in a similar way, so having all the right keywords in all the right places can help people find your show both inside and outside of podcast apps. 

When you’re thinking about how to get your podcast SEO right so you can rank in Google search results there are a few things you need to be mindful of…

The quality of your content 

Google doesn’t want to get a reputation for surfacing crap to its users so you want to make sure the content you’re creating is as high quality as possible.  

Google’s algorithm takes into account how long people stick around on the page/post when they click on it in a search result.  If they bounce right off Google knows they didn’t get what they came for and they penalise content for that by deprioritising it.  Their tech is also getting so good they can even listen to podcast episodes so there’s really no place to hide.

Whether content delivers what it promises 

Click baiting is when you write a headline or description that’s designed to get people to click but what they get on the other side isn’t what you promised.  

You’ll see this online when content providers write headlines like “The Most Amazing Story Ever…” (the chances of it actually being the most amazing story you’ve EVER heard are pretty slim). 

For Google this is a big no-no and if you try and trick people into clicking you will get penalised because it’ll be reflected in how quickly people bounce out of your content and go somewhere else.

Google doesn’t like keyword stuffing (and neither does Apple Podcasts)

Keyword stuffing is when you try and trick Google by shoving your keyword into your title and description as many times as you can.

For example, if your show is about pancakes you might call it “All About Pancakes: The Show About Pancakes For People Who Love Pancakes!”  

Alright.  We get it.  But shoving more of your keyword in isn’t a good idea because ultimately Google takes note of this, as does Apple Podcasts and they have been known for removing shows for doing this.

The other thing Google takes into account is whether your content is ‘human-readable.’  This means your title and description need to look like they were written for a human, not a bot.

How to come up with a great podcast name


Podcast SEO 101

Right, now you know why it’s important to get your podcast SEO on point, so how the hell do you do it?

1 Pick your keyword

Keyword research gives you a chance to work out what people are searching for in your niche so you don’t end up using a keyword no one is interested in.  It’s also important to identify opportunities where there isn’t a lot of competition because those are the topic areas where you might be able to get to the top of the search results.

For your show your keyword would be the main topic people would be searching for e.g. for my show the PodSchool Podcast it could be “podcasting tips” or just “podcasting.”  

Remember the more general you go the more competitive the keyword is likely to be and the harder it’ll be to rank.  That’s one of the reasons you want to find a niche.

To make sure you pick the right keyword you can use free tools like Google Trends or Ubersuggest.  These resources will help you work out what people are searching for so you can make sure your show is in a niche people are interested in.  

It’s also important to do this research for both your show title/description and individual episodes.

Things to think about when you’re doing keyword research

How competitive is the keyword?

It’s good to get a sense of how many people are competing to rank for that keyword because you’ll obviously have a higher chance of success with a less competitive keyword.

How popular is the keyword?  

You want to choose a keyword people are searching for and a tool like Google Trends can help you work out which keyword is most popular when you’re choosing between a few.

How many backlinks would I need to rank?

A tool like AHRefs is slightly more advanced and has a feature that tells you how many backlinks you’d need for your content to rank in Google. 

What is Google already showing?  

Part of your keyword research should always involve typing your keyword into Google and seeing what pops up.

If it’s content that’s similar to yours you know you’ve chosen the right keyword e.g. I wrote an article about podcast presenting and tested the phrase “hosting a podcast.” What came up were articles about podcast hosts (platforms like Whooshkaa and Libsyn), so I went with “podcast presenting” instead. 

How to find content for your podcast


2 Optimise your podcast and episode title for search

A word of warning – don’t let this come at the expense of your creativity, especially with your show name.  

If you’re covering different topics in each episode it’s easier to make your titles SEO friendly but you want the title of your show to convey a bit of personality.

I could have called my celebrity interview podcast “The Celebrity Interview Show” but that’s just about the most boring thing I’ve ever heard.  Instead, I called it “You’ve Gotta Start Somewhere” because I wanted the title to convey the idea that if you want to be successful in media (which a lot of people do) you’ve got to start small and pay your dues.  That’s the take away from every interview I do and it’s clearly reflected in the name of the show.  

Is anyone going to be searching “You’ve Gotta Start Somewhere” if they don’t know about my show but they’re interested in celebrity interviews?  Probably not. But there are plenty of other places you can optimise your podcast SEO so you can leave space to create a compelling title. If your title doesn’t contain a single keyword you can always include these in your show description or the title and description of individual episodes.  

The main thing you want to do is get people interested enough so they want to listen.  It’s also good to remember that people will most likely be listening on a phone so the shorter your titles are, the better.

Ideally, they’ll be under 65 characters but you can always test by checking how your episode appears in podcasts apps after it’s released and adjusting accordingly.

If getting keywords into your titles makes sense then make sure you put them as close to the front of the title as possible (again, keeping in mind that the most important thing is creativity and readability).

How to write great episode titles for your podcast


3 Optimise your descriptions for search

This is where you can get into more detail because you’ve got more real estate to work with. 

It’s still important to write the descriptions in the tone of your show but there’s more space to include keywords and you can do it in a more natural way.  

As with titles, it’s best to get the keywords you’re using as close to the front of the description as possible.  Also, make sure you’re adding the appropriate tags in the backend of your podcast host too.

How to write great podcast descriptions


4 Create show notes pages for your episodes

For each episode of my show, I create a corresponding show notes page and I make sure it’s optimised using the Yoast Plugin.  

Yoast allows you to update the SEO title and description which is what will show up when someone sees your show notes in their search results.

The ideal length for your SEO title is 50-60 characters and 150-160 characters for your SEO description.  If you’ve got a plugin like Yoast it does all the thinking for you by going green when you’ve hit the optimal length.  How easy is that?! 

I’ll often fashion my show notes in WordPress, check the Yoast plugin to make sure everything is right and then copy and paste a shorter version across to the back end of my podcast host.  

Keep in mind that you can’t just put five words on a page and expect Google to applaud you, either.  Posts on your website need to be a minimum of 300 words to get a look in with Google so you need to flesh out more than a couple of lines.

The more useful content on the page the more your website will look like an authority to Google.  And the more authority you have the higher you’re likely to rank in search results.

One of the easiest ways to create show notes after you’ve recorded your episode is to upload a transcript and use that as a base so you’re not writing them from scratch.

And some things you can do to beef up your podcast SEO via your show notes page is to include…

  • Useful headings containing keywords
  • A detailed show and episode description
  • An edited transcript
  • Images with appropriate alt text
  • Pre-populated content that makes it easy for people to share quotes from your show on social media.  Click to Tweet is a great tool for this.
  • Host and guest bios including social media pages, so there’s heaps of information about you and your guests on your website.

What are show notes and why do you need them?


5  Include your keyword in your podcast content 

There was a time when Google couldn’t listen to your podcast episodes but not anymore!

The tech is getting so good that Google can pick up keywords in audio.  But remember the most important thing is you’re creating a show that people want to listen to and no one wants to listen to a show where the hosts are dropping keywords every two seconds.

Think about your audience first when you’re creating a show and the rest will follow but it’s good to keep in mind that Google is listening.  Obviously, if you’re including a transcript and it contains keywords that will also help with search.

How to come up with a great podcast idea


6 Make sure your show is optimised for Google Podcasts

Unfortunately, the process of submitting your podcast to Google Podcasts isn’t as simple as other podcast directories.  

With directories like Spotify and Apple Podcasts, you copy your RSS feed and paste it on a ‘submit podcast’ page.

Google, as we know, likes to find things itself so it crawls the web for your show rather than you submitting it.

That means you need to make sure you’ve set up everything in the back end of your podcast host so Google can find you.

How to submit your podcast to Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts and Spotify


7 Promote your show on social media

Engagement is something Google takes into consideration when ranking your content so it’s important to share your show on social media.  

The more engaged people are with your content (likes, comments, shares) the more likely Google is to think “this website/podcast knows it’s stuff.”  Google ranking is all about authority so the more people dig your content and share it the more authority you’ll accrue.

Sharing on social media is also important because you want to get your show in front of new eyes and ears so make sure you’re telling the world about it and using appropriate hashtags.

How to promote your podcast before it’s live


8 Get your guests to share your show on their website and social media

If you can get backlinks to your podcast that’s going to increase the authority of your show in the eyes of Google and that means you’re likely to rank higher.  

If you’re speaking to high profile guests who’ve got a significant following or a great website, make sure you get them to share the show because that will really help your podcast rank.

Are high-profile guests a good way to grow your podcast audience?


9 Pick the right categories and tags

This is important for search within podcast apps where SEO isn’t as advanced as in Google but can still help your podcast turn up in search results.

Sometimes picking a category is tough if your show isn’t as easy to define as ‘Business’ or ‘Kids & Family’ but if you’ve got a couple of categories that feel like they could apply, go with the less competitive one because you’ll have more chance of standing out. 

With tags, think about the keywords your podcast audience might be searching for if they’re looking for podcasts in your niche inside a directory like Apple Podcasts.

Does your podcast have to be niche?


10 Be patient

It takes time to build an audience and authority but if you’re doing everything you can to give your podcast the best chance of being found there’s not much more you can do but wait.

Creating great content, optimising it where you can, delivering it consistently, sharing it with your community, using hashtags so people outside your community can find it and getting other people to recommend and share your show are all things that will help build authority in Googles eyes.

There’s no magic formula so once you’ve done all this, patience is key.

Got a burning podcasting question you’d like answered? Send me an email.

Want to start your own podcast but need a little help?  Download my “How To Start A Podcast” guide or sign up for my online podcasting course, PodSchool.

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